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It’s slightly egregious in that you only get 5 years on a child’s passport! But definitely worth it to keep questions to a minimum. As for EU entry, surely Portuguese or Irish would suffice.
Does baby not have to have at least one British parent to automatically be a British citizen. It’s not 100% clear whether this is case or not, with all the talk of Portuguese and Irish nationality! I was guessing @redlilly might originally hail from NI, which would cover all bases.
The requirements for a child to automatically be a British Citizen is well defined.
At least one of the parents should be:
• A British citizen,, who lives anywhere in the world
• An Irish citizen who lives in UK permanently when the child is born in the UK
• A form of settlement in the UK such as indefinite leave to remain, European settlement scheme, right of abode, permanent residence etc., irrespective of the parents’ current citizenship, when the child is born in the UKEven if @redlilly and the partner both are Irish citizens with no British citizenship, the child will still be automatically British. HMPC may ask for some form of proof about the parents’ permanent residence in UK (GP records, job records etc.), because in this case, parents passports don’t show immigration records due to free movement within the Common Travel Area.
Tangential to this is the case of EU nationals resident in the UK with settled or pre-settled status travelling back to the UK from the EU/EEA/Switzerland etc using their national ID card rather than a passport. HO guidance clearly states that such folk are entitled to enter the UK with their ID card alone until at least the end of 2025. My OH is an Italian national with full EUSS and has had endless problems with BA, Iberia, KLM Vueling, EasyJet, Wizzair and Ryanair gate staff at EU airports unwilling to accept the ID card for travel despite the provision of a valid EUSS share code. Once at the UK border, he breezes through without issue. His passport is currently with the Italian consulate due to a complicated family issue in Italy so the ID card is his only valid travel document at this time.
Answered my own question here. Presumably children born here of an Irish parent get citizenship because it would effectively also work the other way around.
So that’s the answer if you want your kids to have EU as well as UK passports – have them in Ireland! And NI, presumably? Surprised there’s not been a rush …
Answered my own question here. Presumably children born here of an Irish parent get citizenship because it would effectively also work the other way around.
So that’s the answer if you want your kids to have EU as well as UK passports – have them in Ireland! And NI, presumably? Surprised there’s not been a rush …
Don’t go suggesting it. Others will be along to claim ‘fake’ Irish are clogging up the maternity hospital lounges.
My problem is paying for all the passports, as we are a bit addicted to travel and already have all the maternity leave trips planned… I wasn’t planning on paying for 3 passports, only 1 or 2. It’s just I don’t trust the UK right to remain system if baby only got PT passport and we cannot wait 12+ months for the Irish.
First world problems and all… I am definitely definitely not complaining.
You do realise that the baby’s British passport costs £61.50? There are no other costs as the baby is automatically British. I’m not sure about your finances but just saying this in case you misunderstood the cost.
There is no question of “right to remain”. The baby is a British Citizen and has undeniable right to remain irrespective of the passport. The only way it can be revoked is by the Home Secretary or an act of Parliament. Border officials have no authority over British Citizens but they can ask you to establish citizenship of the baby, in case if the baby is travelling with a non-British passport. For that you just need to keep a copy of the birth certificate and your passport.
Thanks and now understood. Never thought of it like that. There is enough to think about when wanting to travel with a new born (and our first at that) for the first time… Still enough time to plan and book many an appointment at the PT consulate, as baby not due until end of August.
Tangential to this is the case of EU nationals resident in the UK with settled or pre-settled status travelling back to the UK from the EU/EEA/Switzerland etc using their national ID card rather than a passport. HO guidance clearly states that such folk are entitled to enter the UK with their ID card alone until at least the end of 2025. My OH is an Italian national with full EUSS and has had endless problems with BA, Iberia, KLM Vueling, EasyJet, Wizzair and Ryanair gate staff at EU airports unwilling to accept the ID card for travel despite the provision of a valid EUSS share code. Once at the UK border, he breezes through without issue. His passport is currently with the Italian consulate due to a complicated family issue in Italy so the ID card is his only valid travel document at this time.
Yes – agreed. OH has never dared try travel on his Portuguese ID card.
I am still laughing at the Aegean gate agents in Athens not understanding what an Irish passport card was (they didn’t know where Ireland was).
Had my fair share of interesting conversations few with BA gate agents at both LHR and Porto airports about the validity of travelling to the UK and EU on the passport card. Both UK and Irish passports were off at various embassies and passport offices.
My problem is paying for all the passports, as we are a bit addicted to travel and already have all the maternity leave trips planned… I wasn’t planning on paying for 3 passports, only 1 or 2. It’s just I don’t trust the UK right to remain system if baby only got PT passport and we cannot wait 12+ months for the Irish.
First world problems and all… I am definitely definitely not complaining.
You do realise that the baby’s British passport costs £61.50? There are no other costs as the baby is automatically British. I’m not sure about your finances but just saying this in case you misunderstood the cost.
There is no question of “right to remain”. The baby is a British Citizen and has undeniable right to remain irrespective of the passport. The only way it can be revoked is by the Home Secretary or an act of Parliament. Border officials have no authority over British Citizens but they can ask you to establish citizenship of the baby, in case if the baby is travelling with a non-British passport. For that you just need to keep a copy of the birth certificate and your passport.
Thanks and now understood. Never thought of it like that. There is enough to think about when wanting to travel with a new born (and our first at that) for the first time… Still enough time to plan and book many an appointment at the PT consulate, as baby not due until end of August.
While you are thinking about it, have you considered giving birth in the US? A bit of a pain, but the child will be eligible for citizenship there, guaranteeing entry for life, without being grilled at the border? Think long term!
While you are thinking about it, have you considered giving birth in the US? A bit of a pain, but the child will be eligible for citizenship there, guaranteeing entry for life, without being grilled at the border? Think long term!
Is that worth a lifetime of taxes?
My problem is paying for all the passports, as we are a bit addicted to travel and already have all the maternity leave trips planned… I wasn’t planning on paying for 3 passports, only 1 or 2. It’s just I don’t trust the UK right to remain system if baby only got PT passport and we cannot wait 12+ months for the Irish.
First world problems and all… I am definitely definitely not complaining.
You do realise that the baby’s British passport costs £61.50? There are no other costs as the baby is automatically British. I’m not sure about your finances but just saying this in case you misunderstood the cost.
There is no question of “right to remain”. The baby is a British Citizen and has undeniable right to remain irrespective of the passport. The only way it can be revoked is by the Home Secretary or an act of Parliament. Border officials have no authority over British Citizens but they can ask you to establish citizenship of the baby, in case if the baby is travelling with a non-British passport. For that you just need to keep a copy of the birth certificate and your passport.
Thanks and now understood. Never thought of it like that. There is enough to think about when wanting to travel with a new born (and our first at that) for the first time… Still enough time to plan and book many an appointment at the PT consulate, as baby not due until end of August.
While you are thinking about it, have you considered giving birth in the US? A bit of a pain, but the child will be eligible for citizenship there, guaranteeing entry for life, without being grilled at the border? Think long term!
Nah thanks. Long history with US citizenship in my family, which I don’t want/need to revisit.
While you are thinking about it, have you considered giving birth in the US? A bit of a pain, but the child will be eligible for citizenship there, guaranteeing entry for life, without being grilled at the border? Think long term!
As a US citizen living in the UK, every year I had to:
– fill in a tax form – this generally required about 24 hours of labour each year to gather the numbers, understand opaque instructions and to try to figure out how these instructions related to people who lived abroad
– pay tax. There was always some tax to pay. Double taxation treaty, foreign tax credit, blah blah.
– avoid using ISAs or any other scheme not recognised by the US tax code, as full US tax would have been due on any such endeavour, thus negating the whole point of the exercise
– avoid owning shares in any UK funds (ETFs, OEICs, unit trusts, etc) as the reporting requirement was (still is?) to report on the tax form as if the fund didn’t exist and I had instead bought each of the individual constituents in the fundWhen I opened my own UK limited company, I had the further obligation to produce a second set of annual accounts for the company using US accounting rules (and paying US corporation and other tax).
Life got much simpler when I gave up US citizenship.
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