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IMO, we may not need too many staff, why not invest more in camera surveillance and enforcement? Go to cities like SG or HK, there’s rarely police doing the rounds – but everything is captured on cameras and easily tracked.
I do not wish to live in a police state like Singapore or Hong Kong, thank you.
@NorthernLass provided an excellent explanation of the issues the police face. No TfL staff start on £69k – the Met and TfL starting salaried are comparable.Currently in Singapore for the first time. Wonderful to be in a city that is clean and safe with a beautiful environment.
Death penalty for drug smugglers? Bring it on.
The UK is stuffed, and in terminal decline.
That is how you start reversing hundreds years of civilisation.
Death penalty for drug smugglers? Bring it on.
Is it the drug smugglers that are the problem or the drug takers? Or even the drug laws?
Currently in Singapore for the first time. Wonderful to be in a city that is clean and safe with a beautiful environment.
Death penalty for drug smugglers? Bring it on.
The UK is stuffed, and in terminal decline.
Great place to visit, love the bar and restaurant scene, but as a city it has a sort of dead-behind-the-eyes vibe that would put me off from ever wanting to live there.
Currently in Singapore for the first time. Wonderful to be in a city that is clean and safe with a beautiful environment.
Death penalty for drug smugglers? Bring it on.
The UK is stuffed, and in terminal decline.
Great place to visit, love the bar and restaurant scene, but as a city it has a sort of dead-behind-the-eyes vibe that would put me off from ever wanting to live there.
Yes, and apart from the state oppression there is also the oppressive year round humidity. Yes, it’s all very clean and organised but equally rather over sanitised/fake like Disneyland. I thought it was quite well summed up in some recent posts from people asking what to do while there which elicited some really barrel scraping responses. A good transit point but so many more interesting cities around Asia.
While the observations of Singapore aren’t false, many are confusing safety with culture. Singapore itself struggles with its identity and is just a blend of the 3 main cultures that immigrated in the last 100 years. No one is claiming you can find centuries of culture there, instead you can sample some aspects of the 3 main cultures in a safe and clean place. One needs to speak to neighbours Malaysians to understand how bad racial tensions can get to if not managed well.
It’s laughable that some think you need to have some criminal activity to keep a place interesting.
One can still enjoy the night life there without drugs or violence, but apparently it’s too clean and sterile, therefore it ‘needs’ some drugs or violence or gang fights to make life ‘interesting’.
While the observations of Singapore aren’t false, many are confusing safety with culture. Singapore itself struggles with its identity and is just a blend of the 3 main cultures that immigrated in the last 100 years. No one is claiming you can find centuries of culture there, instead you can sample some aspects of the 3 main cultures in a safe and clean place. One needs to speak to neighbours Malaysians to understand how bad racial tensions can get to if not managed well.
It’s laughable that some think you need to have some criminal activity to keep a place interesting.
One can still enjoy the night life there without drugs or violence, but apparently it’s too clean and sterile, therefore it ‘needs’ some drugs or violence or gang fights to make life ‘interesting’.
@BBbetter – Singapore isn’t crime free, drugs free or gang free. Such crime is at far, far lower levels than many big European cities but that would equally apply across much of Asia. Dynamic cities such as Tokyo, Seoul, Beijing or Shanghai are very safe for tourists and inhabitants, but offer so much more.Singapore and Monaco are what they are by deliberate political choice, but that choice and their minute sizes make them really very limited places and that isn’t for everyone.
Knife Crime capital of Britain and it isn’t London!
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a-day-in-the-life-of-police-in-britains-knife-crime-capital-pdpwnfxfcKnife Crime capital of Britain and it isn’t London!
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a-day-in-the-life-of-police-in-britains-knife-crime-capital-pdpwnfxfcCan’t get it to load unfortunately. but a wild stab in the dark, Is it Birminghamish?
Is it Birminghamish?
Yes. “Data released last year showed its rate of knife and sharp instrument offences (170.3 per 100,000 people) was the highest of any force in England and Wales.” Of course, that might just mean that Birmingham’s police force is more effective than other forces, so more offences are recorded. Who knows?
Is it the drug smugglers that are the problem or the drug takers?
Most of the real-world examples in Birmingham involved the drug trade. I have nothing but contempt for middle-class drug users who think they can mix casual weed and cocaine use with a respectable life. If there were no demand for drugs, there would be no dealers. I find it extraordinary that people who have a terrible conscience about their coffee being Fair Trade, their latte being vegan and their commute carbon-free, somehow have no concern about the trail of stabbings and criminal exploitation that is directly caused by the funding they provide to an illegal supply chain. Pathetic.
Most of the real-world examples in Birmingham involved the drug trade. I have nothing but contempt for middle-class drug users who think they can mix casual weed and cocaine use with a respectable life. If there were no demand for drugs, there would be no dealers. I find it extraordinary that people who have a terrible conscience about their coffee being Fair Trade, their latte being vegan and their commute carbon-free, somehow have no concern about the trail of stabbings and criminal exploitation that is directly caused by the funding they provide to an illegal supply chain. Pathetic.
I don’t use any controlled substances so I don’t have a dog in this fight but this is the most laughable nonsense.
The government chooses to let the criminality exist – it is a deliberate choice.
We’ve seen recently in plenty of times and places – post London riots, Covid lockdown enforcement, the clearing of San Francisco for Xi’s visit, El Salvador – that a government which actually wants to control crime, even encumbered by Western human rights laws and courts, can do so in days.
Where disorder exists around you, it’s because the government likes it that way.
@TooPoorToBeHere, Of course you’re right that the government is at fault for allowing criminality to exist. But the people who financially support the criminal supply chain are also to be blamed.
It’s possible to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time.
And “supporting criminal supply chain” often equates to “financing terrorism”, again something the luvvies appear too substance-addled to comprehend.
Knife Crime capital of Britain and it isn’t London!
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a-day-in-the-life-of-police-in-britains-knife-crime-capital-pdpwnfxfcCan’t get it to load unfortunately. but a wild stab in the dark, Is it Birminghamish?
The beginning paragraph –
‘With their sirens blaring and blue lights flashing, Inspector Colin Gallier and Sergeant Myles Duce of West Midlands police are racing to apprehend a man allegedly carrying a knife and know they are against the clock.
They had been en route to an anti-knife crime deployment in Washwood Heath, northeast Birmingham, identified as a “violence hotspot”, when they receive a report of drug dealing outside a property. A 999 operator tells them a “group of males have been spotted with a knife”. ‘Currently in Singapore for the first time. Wonderful to be in a city that is clean and safe with a beautiful environment.
Death penalty for drug smugglers? Bring it on.
The UK is stuffed, and in terminal decline.
Great place to visit, love the bar and restaurant scene, but as a city it has a sort of dead-behind-the-eyes vibe that would put me off from ever wanting to live there.
Yes, and apart from the state oppression there is also the oppressive year round humidity. Yes, it’s all very clean and organised but equally rather over sanitised/fake like Disneyland. I thought it was quite well summed up in some recent posts from people asking what to do while there which elicited some really barrel scraping responses. A good transit point but so many more interesting cities around Asia.
In fact, Singapore is very dirty if you move a few streets beyond waterfront/Orchard. I have taken so many pics of the rubbish flying on the streets, building materials lying around, some houses falling apart as friends didn’t believe me when I told them. This is what destination advertising does. They forget to look around.
I totally agree. There is literary nothing to do there. I felt Gardens by the Bay is for people who have never been in nature…
@qc, only in the event of guaranteed press coverage would an Inspector and a Sergeant be going to deal with that!
“group of males have been spotted with a knife”
Maybe they were sat in the park in the sunshine having some nice cheese and wine?
Indeed, those double-pronged cheese knives are potentially lethal!
At least it’s not (quite) as bad here as on the continent where the drug gangs operate with an impunity that would still make jaws drop here:
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/cocaine-trafficking-netherlands/
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/france-prisoner-escape-huge-manhunt-launched-as-gunmen-kill-two-guards-and-free-inmate-from-van-live/ar-BB1mmOjz?ocid=BingNewsSerp“The government chooses to let the criminality exist – it is a deliberate choice.”
But the govt gets its ideas and mandate from the voting public. There’s still quite a few who think some form of criminal activity is ok and govt shouldn’t be hard on people. As long as we have such an attitude, things can only go worse. Easy for govt to blame cost.
The government is just about managing to keep the lid on the really bad stuff. There are in a continual battle to balance the rights of the many with the rights of the few, sadly.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terror-suspects-planned-killing-spree-32807370
“Singapore is very dirty if you move a few streets beyond waterfront/Orchard“
Perhaps. But at a tourist visiting the centre for a couple of days, I was struck by how clean, safe and pleasant it was.
Visit Central London and you will see squalor and feel unsafe.
I found plenty to do in Singapore on my short visit.
Death penalty for drug smugglers? Bring it on.
Is it the drug smugglers that are the problem or the drug takers? Or even the drug laws?
The takers probably cant help themselves and might be treatable – the smugglers are in it for the money they make regardless of the misery/crime their product causes so yes a large dose of their own product would be my answer
I approve of Singapore, despite it having less character than Birmingham.
Am not sure why the crime is surprising at all.
We elect politicians on their ability to lie about EU and NHS and then we act surprised when they appear inept trying to solve real life issues like tackling crime.
@AlexG I never go to visitor centres. They only show you want they want you to see. In any case, I agree there is probably something to do for 2-3 days just to fill in days (quality of time spent is dubious), but it’s not a place to come back to time and again.
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