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What we know so far:
– It’s being actively worked out, not considered (2 sources at BA confirmed)
– Due to launch in January (1 comment on today’s SAS article suggests this)I thought the “new revenue management system” referred to repeatedly in the IAGL investor report was shady, and my suspicions are confirmed.
What’s everyone’s plan? Sit and wait? Burn & run?
Spend at Sainsburys 🤷
Going to start booking redemptions, possibly transfer out to QR & AY. Wouldn’t be surprised if trasnfer rates will come with some sort of penalty in future
Even if the rumours turn out to be be true (and there have been countless “well sourced” false rumours of BA Air Miles/Avios devaluations in the last 25 years) I wouldn’t rush to judgement or make speculative bookings as the devil will be in the detail.
With the recent changes to cash based Avios earning and to membership year ends, BA has introduced these in reasonably fair manner with adequate notice. If there were to be a move to dynamic pricing, I’m not sure an overly long notice period would necessarily be in the passengers’ interest.
One thing that I think would be different, again if it’s introduced, is that compared to Virgin, there are a lot of very Avios rich but fairly inactive members who would actually relish the opportunity to pay up to secure a reward.
The only certainty is that it would cause a lot of heat and fury, references to group legal actions and complaints to Amex/FOS etc. but calm will ultimately prevail.
The only certainty is that it would cause a lot of heat and fury, references to group legal actions and complaints to Amex/FOS etc. but calm will ultimately prevail.
Noticed a typo. You spelt resignation “calm”.
Could be good or bad news for anyone wanting to book HND!
Could be good or bad news for anyone wanting to book HND!
Could you imagine the points cost? 500k return in J for one LOL
Could be good or bad news for anyone wanting to book HND!
Yes, the present ‘system’ of T-355 midnight calls seems rather unsatisfactory and unfair, particularly when seats are bagged and then cancelled not long thereafter when they could have gone to a more deserving passenger who actually intended to use them. Plenty of sharks circling to catch the cancelled seats long before SeatSpy etc. wake up.
Frustrating if true. I’ve an upgrade voucher valid for another 15 months, and a couple of hundred thousand Avios. No immediate plans to use them, but I’ll probably make a speculative booking for JFK next year, if nothing else. It’s worth the cancellation cost.
I’m also helping my 18 yo nephew plan his first big trip away. And although it’s not the best value in Y, he was excited to use the household account to save £ on a trip to Chile.
Good reminder, as always, not to hang on too long before spending. Great redemption offers do come along, but more often changes are for the worse.
Hmm, by pure coincidence I just had a random survey invite from BA: “We would like to invite you take part in a 15-minute survey about your travel habits and experiences with loyalty programmes, including the British Airways Executive Club and others you may use.”
Though there were no rewards (a handful of Avios would have been nice), I thought I’d take it. It was mostly along the lines of what schemes are you members of, how easy is it to redeem, why do you collect points, but two things stood out:
* In the “what do you do (relating to points)” section, one of the options was “Diarise flight release dates to book as soon as they become available”
* There was a bit near the end asking which of the following would appeal, if you could use Avios to redeem:
– Pre-loaded cards for travel spending
– Spa or health and wellness services
– Travel vaccinations
– Data roaming / e-sims
– Visa and travel advice services
– Foreign currency
– Pet sitting services while on holiday
– Luggage trackers, e.g. air tags, tiles
– Travel insurance.Hmm again. “It’s now 500,000 points one way to Haneda, as everyone wants that flight, but you could always spend the 100,000 Avios you saved up to book at the old price on a couple of hundred pounds worth of Yen instead…” Far-fetched? Hopefully!
I got the email as well but deleted it.
If they want 15 minutes of my time they can at least offer some avios or a voucher towards a flight.
Do you think BA IT could cope with dynamic pricing for Avios tickets at the moment? We’ve just got back from our South American adventures. The BA app shows the correct number of Avios and tier points for my account, since new year commenced in November. I have just logged onto the website and it gives my Avios and tier points as they were on 9 November, ie no tier points – not those I have been awarded since 1 April.
Can you imagine what will happen if at least one of the following occurs in January?
1. there is a BA sale
2. dynamic pricing for Avios tickets begins
3. LHR has a few flakes of snowEverything will be fine!!!!
Did that survey – nothing I felt pointed specifically towards a move to dynamic pricing. I think I’ve seen the same one before.
It asked how I use my Avios and I selected the option that stated that I’m saving for a particular redemption.We have a balance with a plan to use in 2027 for a big holiday, with some smaller redemptions in the interim.
It looks like that will be in jeopardy if dynamic pricing comes in as we’ll likely need a lot more and it wont feel like good value. Need to now start thinking of a plan B.I can see the BAEC X posts now:
“Our members have been asking for more opportunities to spend their avios” (i.e, so we’ll give them in the form of dynamic pricing)
“Feedback from our members about more opportunities to spend their avios has been overwhelmingly positive” 😜 😂
As least BA’s massively bigger route network means this would likely be less disastrous than the recent VS debacle. Just to NYC I think there’s about 15 flights per day and usually loads of RFS and F availability.
Well, that depends if they were to use the VS model I.e. every seat is available for points. If they were to go for a dynamic pricing on a limited number of seats (as present, only a few seats are available for redemption) – can you imagine the ridiculous points pricing that may cause.
When is the protest at Waterside?
@freckles, this site would end up being an agony column for avios collectors 😂
If Qatar go that way too it’s game over!
That said, perhaps there will be some opportunities for BA to offer lower prices, more closely aligned to Qatar for Aus etc.Maybe there will be lower points fares on some of the New York/ Boston / Atlanta routes that often have 9 club seats available.
I think the potential loss of great value school holiday options are the biggest risk for me personally. Of course jumping to conclusions here.
If Qatar go that way too it’s game over!
That said, perhaps there will be some opportunities for BA to offer lower prices, more closely aligned to Qatar for Aus etc.Maybe there will be lower points fares on some of the New York/ Boston / Atlanta routes that often have 9 club seats available.
I think the potential loss of great value school holiday options are the biggest risk for me personally. Of course jumping to conclusions here.
If anything it will make routes going East more expensive, and those going to North America, where there are thousands of Y Avios seats available, the same cost or cheaper.
I’d be amazed if it benefits those currently high demand routes.
Would love to learn a bit more about corporate culture if insiders think it appropriate to discuss / divulge this kind of thing.. in other industries I’d have thought this would be subject to some level of NDA, unless it’s just a rumour or if there’s always unfounded speculation about stuff like this in the works.
Would love to learn a bit more about corporate culture if insiders think it appropriate to discuss / divulge this kind of thing.. in other industries I’d have thought this would be subject to some level of NDA, unless it’s just a rumour or if there’s always unfounded speculation about stuff like this in the works.
These could be authorised leaks where a proposal is aired, it generates lots of comments and reaction.
If it’s positive they go ahead. If it’s negative the response is “that’s not our proposal at all / was never on the cards” etc
Would love to learn a bit more about corporate culture if insiders think it appropriate to discuss / divulge this kind of thing.. in other industries I’d have thought this would be subject to some level of NDA, unless it’s just a rumour or if there’s always unfounded speculation about stuff like this in the works.
These could be authorised leaks where a proposal is aired, it generates lots of comments and reaction.
If it’s positive they go ahead. If it’s negative the response is “that’s not our proposal at all / was never on the cards” etc
I think that’s relatively unlikely. I don’t think that BA cares too much about the commentariat and they anyway know that the initial reaction to any major change is knee jerk negative, plus they will have observed Virgin’s actions. It may happen but it’s just as possible that someone has got the wrong end of the stick.
I am not sure on actual figures but I speculate that BA do well with the BAPP. The amount of people that have cancelled Virgin card recently should heed a warning. Alongside nectar to marriot in January the detriment to whole Avios biosphere could be irreversible in return for a few who would spend 1m to go Japan at peak season.
@executiveclubber what is the source of this information please?
Not a squeak about this on the BA flyer talk board and they would be all over this if there was a whiff of this happening.
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