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Yes, thanks for the update. It confirms what I thought, no very significant difference from what is currently on offer in CE.
I did an Avios Express flight to Malaga on Saturday night. I’d noticed this thread and comments in the daily chat, but hadn’t notice the email telling me about Avios Express as it had a subject line the same as those telling me about my flights being operated by BA Euroflyer. I probably would have given them a go in any case though, instead of changing plans!
I agree it maybe isn’t so major that you should drastically change plans to avoid them, especially in Euro Traveller/economy. In CE though, despite there being one BA cabin crew onboard the service was noticeably worse. The seats are definitely worse and plane overall a bit tatty. As others have pointed out there is no divider between the seats (although the middle seat was blocked). There is no curtain between CE and ET. The impact was/is that people from ET continually came to the front to use the bathroom and I guess this was one of the reasons the drinks/service was so infrequent. I don’t exactly drink massive amounts on a 2.5 hour flight, but I managed to get one 150ml can of ginger ale and 1 cup of champagne (no mini bottles, they were pouring from a big bottle of Castlenau). There were also definitely a lot of issues/complaints from passengers due to the seating selection seemingly being wiped with the aircraft change.
It was poor enough that I personally would change to another flight on the same day or even a day earlier if accommodation allowed.
I should mention though that the crew were very professional and competent considering they weren’t a BA crew. They dealt well with the irate customers who had seating issues.
I did an Avios Express flight to Malaga on Saturday night. I’d noticed this thread and comments in the daily chat, but hadn’t notice the email telling me about Avios Express as it had a subject line the same as those telling me about my flights being operated by BA Euroflyer. I probably would have given them a go in any case though, instead of changing plans!
I agree it maybe isn’t so major that you should drastically change plans to avoid them, especially in Euro Traveller/economy. In CE though, despite there being one BA cabin crew onboard the service was noticeably worse. The seats are definitely worse and plane overall a bit tatty. As others have pointed out there is no divider between the seats (although the middle seat was blocked). There is no curtain between CE and ET. The impact was/is that people from ET continually came to the front to use the bathroom and I guess this was one of the reasons the drinks/service was so infrequent. I don’t exactly drink massive amounts on a 2.5 hour flight, but I managed to get one 150ml can of ginger ale and 1 cup of champagne (no mini bottles, they were pouring from a big bottle of Castlenau). There were also definitely a lot of issues/complaints from passengers due to the seating selection seemingly being wiped with the aircraft change.
It was poor enough that I personally would change to another flight on the same day or even a day earlier if accommodation allowed.
I should mention though that the crew were very professional and competent considering they weren’t a BA crew. They dealt well with the irate customers who had seating issues.
Looks like your plane was 9H-MLZ.
I did an Avios Express flight to Malaga on Saturday night. I’d noticed this thread and comments in the daily chat, but hadn’t notice the email telling me about Avios Express as it had a subject line the same as those telling me about my flights being operated by BA Euroflyer. I probably would have given them a go in any case though, instead of changing plans!
I agree it maybe isn’t so major that you should drastically change plans to avoid them, especially in Euro Traveller/economy. In CE though, despite there being one BA cabin crew onboard the service was noticeably worse. The seats are definitely worse and plane overall a bit tatty. As others have pointed out there is no divider between the seats (although the middle seat was blocked). There is no curtain between CE and ET. The impact was/is that people from ET continually came to the front to use the bathroom and I guess this was one of the reasons the drinks/service was so infrequent. I don’t exactly drink massive amounts on a 2.5 hour flight, but I managed to get one 150ml can of ginger ale and 1 cup of champagne (no mini bottles, they were pouring from a big bottle of Castlenau). There were also definitely a lot of issues/complaints from passengers due to the seating selection seemingly being wiped with the aircraft change.
It was poor enough that I personally would change to another flight on the same day or even a day earlier if accommodation allowed.
I should mention though that the crew were very professional and competent considering they weren’t a BA crew. They dealt well with the irate customers who had seating issues.
Looks like your plane was 9H-MLZ.
This may be a stupid question… googling that plane it was a Wizz plane until very recently. However, the seats looked very old/worn and had little/worn padding and weren’t the Wizz style I have seen. Do/Did they fit used/old seats?
That’s when you hear it coming
That is when you hear the humming
Of the midnight plane
Here again
Can’t explain that midnight plane
That midnight planeAvion Express, Avion Express
Are you real? Yes or no?
Avion Express, answer me yes
I don’t want you to goCome try to take me away
But bring me back before daylight
And fill the time between
Take me to everywhere
But don’t abandon me there
Just want to say I’ve beenWhen people say the middle seat is blocked in CE, is it blocked physically?
The reason I ask is that we are flying with our 11 month old and it always comes in handy an empty seat to sit him in rather than juggling between both parents laps even just for 5-10 mins whilst we eat.
When people say the middle seat is blocked in CE, is it blocked physically?
The reason I ask is that we are flying with our 11 month old and it always comes in handy an empty seat to sit him in rather than juggling between both parents laps even just for 5-10 mins whilst we eat.
How would you secure him in case of unexpected turbulence?
When people say the middle seat is blocked in CE, is it blocked physically?
The reason I ask is that we are flying with our 11 month old and it always comes in handy an empty seat to sit him in rather than juggling between both parents laps even just for 5-10 mins whilst we eat.
See my post, there is no physical divider / table between seats in CE
When people say the middle seat is blocked in CE, is it blocked physically?
The reason I ask is that we are flying with our 11 month old and it always comes in handy an empty seat to sit him in rather than juggling between both parents laps even just for 5-10 mins whilst we eat.
On BA aircraft, typically the seat is physically blocked by a tray that flips up from under the seat, depends on the aircraft though.
You can ask the crew if they can fold it back under the seat. I’ve seen it done, but it’s up to the crew.
I also had my BA flight switched to Avion and I was wondering if the baggage allowance still stays the same. I do not have checked baggage, only cabin as I thought the BA allowance would be enough. I called BA to ask and the person on the phone first told me it was only 5kg with one piece and then told me that it was standard BA after I tried to double check. Will this be an issue when checking in and will it be standard BA cabin baggage still? BA haven’t been very useful on this and I would rather be safe than sorry
How would you secure him in case of unexpected turbulence?
Well he cant sit up properly yet so he would be being supported by one of us with the armrest up.
Its just somewhere to put him for a few minutes and a little extra space for us rather than “sit there for a 2hr 45min flight because we CBA with you!!”On BA aircraft, typically the seat is physically blocked by a tray that flips up from under the seat, depends on the aircraft though.
You can ask the crew if they can fold it back under the seat. I’ve seen it done, but it’s up to the crew.
Yea we have flown many BA CE with the removable tray in the middle seat but this being Avion Express I wanted clarification on what people were meaning by the middle seat being blocked, physically or not.
Thanks for clarification though.
How would you secure him in case of unexpected turbulence?
Well he cant sit up properly yet so he would be being supported by one of us with the armrest up.
Its just somewhere to put him for a few minutes and a little extra space for us rather than “sit there for a 2hr 45min flight because we CBA with you!!”
…I’ve been in CE in the middle of eating my meal and experienced mild turbulence. I would not have been able to secure an infant with one hand and the meal tray with the other.
I’ve been in CE in the middle of eating my meal and experienced mild turbulence. I would not have been able to secure an infant with one hand and the meal tray with the other.
I guess the question is which would you save first, your meal tray or your child?
I know which one I’d prefer to save.. 😂
A meal tray, with real cutlery, glasses and crockery going flying due to turbulence would endanger an infant and its parents and others.
A meal tray, with real cutlery, glasses and crockery going flying due to turbulence would endanger an infant and its parents and others.
Are you a premiership goalie? Turbulence that sends the cutlery, glasses and crockery flying and you manage to save it all…
Arm rest up, 11 month old perched alongside you with the infant belt slid around to one of the far sides of your belt. Done! Then you can concentrate on catching all those glasses.
A meal tray, with real cutlery, glasses and crockery going flying due to turbulence would endanger an infant and its parents and others.
You’re absolutely right, regardless if they are sat on your lap or not.
So what are we going to do with this predicament, ban babies from CE seats so they can’t get injured?
Perhaps BA need to redo their risk assessment on using real cutlery, glass and crockery incase someone injures themselves in turbulence.
Get a life..
A meal tray, with real cutlery, glasses and crockery going flying due to turbulence would endanger an infant and its parents and others.
You’re absolutely right, regardless if they are sat on your lap or not.
So what are we going to do with this predicament, ban babies from CE seats so they can’t get injured?
Perhaps BA need to redo their risk assessment on using real cutlery, glass and crockery incase someone injures themselves in turbulence…
Simple answer is one parent enjoys meal, other parent looks after infant, then they swop, everyones happy including infant.
Simple answer is one parent enjoys meal, other parent looks after infant, then they swop, everyones happy including infant.
How do you know my child likes to sit on our lap during flight?
He actually preferred his lay flat seat to himself in long-haul rather than the flight down to LHR from MAN sat on our laps earlier in the year, and surprisingly no one was injured during turbulence…
After having a BA aircraft on the outward journey. We had an Avion Express on the way back yesterday from Menorca (BA2567).
In the seats at the back, wasn’t really much difference. Might be slightly less leg room but can’t be sure. Same pitiful cup of water and pretzels!
As others have noted, no curtain splitting the cabin and crew in different uniform. Had one BA cabin crew onboard. The aircraft, all in white had a token BA logo on the rear of the fuselage.
To be fair, the experience with we had with Avion Express was fine.
Just came back on Avion Club Europe from Dubrovnik. Definitely an older a320 and far less legroom however service good and no tray covering middle seat so we could have sat in any of the 3 seats. I really wouldn’t change my plans to avoid.
In fact we had a BA plane change on way out so got bumped from 1d 1f to row 7!
In fact we had a BA plane change on way out so got bumped from 1d 1f to row 7!
Quite a lot of the Gatwick fleet doesn’t have those seats so this is always a risk picking those unfortunately
Just flown back from Tenerife with avion in CE. Never again. I was offered a drink 1 hour after take off. Drink turned up 30 minutes later with my meal & that was it for the rest of the flight. I asked for another drink 1 hour before landing & was told no as they were securing the aircraft. What I then noticed was the staff helping them selves to all the alcohol. One member of staff put 3 cans of Heineken & a bottle of wine in his carry on bag stored above my seat. 5 minutes later a member of staff working in economy walked upto the front of the plane. Helped him self to 4 bottles of jack daniels then walked back to economy. All after I’ve been told no. I’m not allowed a 2nd drink. There was no BA staff member on board, only avion staff. In Contrast my flight to Tenerife was a BA plane with BA staff & the staff were absolutely amazing.
It would have been very interesting if someone had videoed the crew helping themselves to the alcohol! I think you should definitely submit a complaint about this – BA will probably try and fob you off but you might get a few avios and it’s then documented if it becomes a frequent issue.
BTW, I have seen BA crew remove full bottles of spirits when they disembark at NAS (crew changes there before continuing to GCM), but they’re always pretty liberal at pouring it during flight, and don’t object to people helping themselves.
Worth noting that BA crew can buy miniatures for a discounted price at the end of a flight. One of the perks. Of course that’s not to say pilfering may occur at airlines but I know BA security do spot checks so not worth the risk.
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