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Virgin Atlantic: ‘We scrapped the 12 guaranteed reward seats due to member feedback’

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There is a phrase in the PR world – ‘when you’re apologising, you’re losing’.

You are more likely to know ‘when you’re in a hole, stop digging’.

These were the thoughts that sprang to mind when I read the four page A4 PDF document sent to members of the Virgin Atlantic invite-only ‘Travel Talk’ forum in defence of the changes to Virgin Flying Club.

It’s fair to say that if you thought that HfP readers were scathing about the changes, it was nothing compared to ‘Travel Talk’ members. That’s not surprising, of course, since only highly engaged members would bother to join an invite-only discussion group.

It’s unfair to post the entire document because it was meant for an invite-only audience, but I’ve repeated a few sections below. As you read it, remember that this document was written for some of the most knowledgeable and highest value customers of the airline.

Let’s start with the one I put in the headline of the article. Apparently it was YOU, the loyal Flying Club member, who wanted the removal of the 12 guaranteed reward seats per flight.

Before we go on, a quick note on editing. Some answers have been shortened – these are indicated with ‘[….]’ – but each sentence appears exactly as it is in the original. Any bolding is ours.

On the removal of the 12 guaranteed reward seats per flight:

Why have you eliminated the Reward/Saver seat minimum across all cabins and flights?

We listened to member feedback and while the minimum 12 seat guarantee was valued, the high demand for those seats showed us that we needed more flexibility. We considered including a guaranteed number of seats in the new Saver product, but feedback showed that booking 11 months in advance to secure one was unfair and impractical for many members. Instead, we’ve reinvested that value into better pricing for all. This way, you can use your points anytime.

On devaluation:

Why have points been devalued, and why weren’t existing customer balances adjusted accordingly?

Virgin Points have not been devalued; in fact, we’re adding more value for members. Higher price points reflect access to newly available more valuable inventory, while the introduction of Saver reward seats offers our lowest ever prices. Combine that with increased points earn rates in Premium and Upper Class, and Virgin Points can now take you even further.

On credit card vouchers:

Why are companion vouchers now capped in value and tier-based?

We’ve simplified our vouchers to make them more flexible – you can now use them for a cabin upgrade or to bring a companion. The capped value ensures that the voucher is at least as valuable as previously, with the added benefit of being usable on any seat. [….]

On what people who don’t earn huge volumes of points are now meant to do:

What steps will be taken to make the program more achievable for regular and low-tier customers?

We want Flying Club to work for all members. [….] Whether you’re a frequent flyer or someone saving for a special trip, there are now more ways to get the most out of the programme.

On the background to the changes:

Why were these changes made and what are the core benefits of the new system to the customer?

Very simply in order to make Flying Club more rewarding and easier to use for everyone! [….]

On those who say they may switch:

I don’t feel valued, why should I stay loyal to Flying Club rather than switch to a competitor programme?

Flying Club offers the most rewarding travel programme and our unique benefits set us apart from our competitors. [….] Combined with our excellent onboard service and people and outstanding products, Flying Club truly delivers exceptional value. [….]

We understand that changes to programmes can take time to adjust to, and some members may explore alternatives. However, we’re confident that our programme offers great value. We hope you’ll take a closer look at all we offer and feel reassured of the benefits of staying with Flying Club and Virgin Atlantic.


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Comments (245)

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  • memesweeper says:

    Some evidence to support these claims would be nice. Some things are subjective and hard to evidence, but the average value per point for the typical redeemer before and after the changes could be calculated, and thus support the claim that there’s been no devaluation. A bold assertion that things are more valuable than before isn’t credible.

  • George says:

    They should have just blamed the accountants

  • Rob H not Rob says:

    I signed up to travel talk, and went to Crawley with them earlier in the year. For a forum. Had a chat wuth the loyalty guys as I was the one person there with interest in their loyalty scheme. Not a squeak about this at the time.

    The member responses to this A4 have generally ben absolutely scathing, although the odd poster seems OK with it.

    A reminder Travel Talk in run by an external company, C Space and not Virgin itself.

  • CKA says:

    If VA truly believed their own words and it wasn’t just a work of fiction – let’s see them commit to doing an independent survey of all FC members regarding the changes and commit to publish the results…… we know if the questions were not shaped, simple and clear what would be the results….. and they do too…. This is all from Delta….. VA might even rebrand at some stage Delta UK coming?

  • jj says:

    Oh dear. The tone of those replies tells you all you need to know about the character of the people who wrote them.

    They are not good listeners.

    • Charles Martel says:

      Someone’s boss sat them down one afternoon and told them they had to come up with this waffle. I’m glad I never fell into that career.

      • ed_fly says:

        So true. My experience, of working closely with colleagues in PR, is they’re usually very aware of the shortfalls in the messaging they’re being asked to deliver. It’s not always possible to spin things

        • jj says:

          A decent PR team would have a sensible conversation with management rather than blindly following orders.

          Honesty creates the best PR. A simple honest statement would gain much more respect: “We understand that the guaranteed seats were popular, but, unfortunately, the cost was greater than we are able to bear in the current economic climate.”

          Telling your customers that they are wrong and don’t know what they want leads to instant corporate death.

          • ed_fly says:

            Decent PR teams have these conversations with management all the time, decent management listens and responds appropriately. However, I can say from personal experience management isn’t always decent and sometimes forces people utterly ridiculous lines onto PR teams. Can’t speak for what’s happening at virgin.

          • George says:

            Yeah as ed_fly has said, even at some of the big companies I’ve worked up at some members management can be useless and deluded. They’ll also blame someone else when the backlash comes

    • Dez Berresford says:

      Reminds me of the annual letters I used to get from Virgin Media trying to explain why the 10%+ price rise was good for me

    • Jim Lovejoy says:

      I think you misspelled the last word. The correct spelling is l-i-a-r-s

  • Edward says:

    I have 3 vouchers. I’ve lost one as they are effectively worthless for a trip within the next 3months over a school holiday. The ‘pricing’ of their points needed for an upgrade or companion was 212000, the value of the points on the voucher was circa 60000. Couldn’t do anything with that. So lost it. Even went to the desk at LHR. Seriously considering moving to amex BA

  • NigelthePensioner says:

    What a complete load of tosh.
    It is now universally poor vfm.
    Could it now be the worst “loyalty” programme?
    Has Walsh hacked the Virgin computers??

  • Inman says:

    Reminds me of an old Channel 4 interview with a mouthpiece of an allegedly dictatorial regime and how he went on to argue that they are the most “vibrant democracy” on the planet.
    Question – why did the police prevent the journalists from visiting ____ site?
    Answer – We are a highly law abiding society and we need to guarantee the safety of journalists, which we can’t do because of protests. Therefore we stopped them from going there.
    I wonder if he’s working for VA now.

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