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Virgin Atlantic: ‘We scrapped the 12 guaranteed reward seats due to member feedback’

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There is a phrase in the PR world – ‘when you’re apologising, you’re losing’.

You are more likely to know ‘when you’re in a hole, stop digging’.

These were the thoughts that sprang to mind when I read the four page A4 PDF document sent to members of the Virgin Atlantic invite-only ‘Travel Talk’ forum in defence of the changes to Virgin Flying Club.

It’s fair to say that if you thought that HfP readers were scathing about the changes, it was nothing compared to ‘Travel Talk’ members. That’s not surprising, of course, since only highly engaged members would bother to join an invite-only discussion group.

It’s unfair to post the entire document because it was meant for an invite-only audience, but I’ve repeated a few sections below. As you read it, remember that this document was written for some of the most knowledgeable and highest value customers of the airline.

Let’s start with the one I put in the headline of the article. Apparently it was YOU, the loyal Flying Club member, who wanted the removal of the 12 guaranteed reward seats per flight.

Before we go on, a quick note on editing. Some answers have been shortened – these are indicated with ‘[….]’ – but each sentence appears exactly as it is in the original. Any bolding is ours.

On the removal of the 12 guaranteed reward seats per flight:

Why have you eliminated the Reward/Saver seat minimum across all cabins and flights?

We listened to member feedback and while the minimum 12 seat guarantee was valued, the high demand for those seats showed us that we needed more flexibility. We considered including a guaranteed number of seats in the new Saver product, but feedback showed that booking 11 months in advance to secure one was unfair and impractical for many members. Instead, we’ve reinvested that value into better pricing for all. This way, you can use your points anytime.

On devaluation:

Why have points been devalued, and why weren’t existing customer balances adjusted accordingly?

Virgin Points have not been devalued; in fact, we’re adding more value for members. Higher price points reflect access to newly available more valuable inventory, while the introduction of Saver reward seats offers our lowest ever prices. Combine that with increased points earn rates in Premium and Upper Class, and Virgin Points can now take you even further.

On credit card vouchers:

Why are companion vouchers now capped in value and tier-based?

We’ve simplified our vouchers to make them more flexible – you can now use them for a cabin upgrade or to bring a companion. The capped value ensures that the voucher is at least as valuable as previously, with the added benefit of being usable on any seat. [….]

On what people who don’t earn huge volumes of points are now meant to do:

What steps will be taken to make the program more achievable for regular and low-tier customers?

We want Flying Club to work for all members. [….] Whether you’re a frequent flyer or someone saving for a special trip, there are now more ways to get the most out of the programme.

On the background to the changes:

Why were these changes made and what are the core benefits of the new system to the customer?

Very simply in order to make Flying Club more rewarding and easier to use for everyone! [….]

On those who say they may switch:

I don’t feel valued, why should I stay loyal to Flying Club rather than switch to a competitor programme?

Flying Club offers the most rewarding travel programme and our unique benefits set us apart from our competitors. [….] Combined with our excellent onboard service and people and outstanding products, Flying Club truly delivers exceptional value. [….]

We understand that changes to programmes can take time to adjust to, and some members may explore alternatives. However, we’re confident that our programme offers great value. We hope you’ll take a closer look at all we offer and feel reassured of the benefits of staying with Flying Club and Virgin Atlantic.


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Comments (245)

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  • Claire f says:

    Well that’s reassuring then if they are so keen to listen to member feedback then how long till we go back to something similar to the old scheme!

  • r* says:

    Awesome. Wont be long before they stop being a crappy airline with a poor business class product on a lot of routes then, due to member feedback.

  • Jan says:

    Certainly a masterclass in how to say as little as possible. I’m trying to work out if there isn’t anything in there beyond the incredible claim that Virgin did this to make us happy.

  • davefl says:

    They’re basically saying “We really believe our customers are too stupid to do simple maths”

    • memesweeper says:

      Most people who redeem on most schemes probably are. Consider how many economy seats and other features like seat reservations BA sell to credit card holders for less than a penny a point, when those same card holders could probably get 1% back from Amex or Chase and get better value paying cash.

    • Can says:

      So true

  • Jim Utd says:

    I’m a member of this forum and let me tell you the feedback on this FAQ from the “community” has been scathing, no end of comments relating to how it benefits US credit card customers and has over everyone else. I’ve never seen feedback saying get rid of the guaranteed seats so me thinks that is made up!

    • memesweeper says:

      Some people probably did ask for more availability on peak routes closer in than a year. What nobody asked for was scrapping of guaranteed seats, which was Virgin’s preferred method of achieving this.

      • ed_fly says:

        Quite, there was nothing stopping virgin keeping the old guaranteed seats, and then adding dynamic priced seats for sale. It’s crystal clear what they were aiming to do. The spin above is not fooling anyone with half a brain.

    • Rob H not Rob says:

      +1

  • CJD says:

    The simplified voucher claim is a right laugh when it anything, they’ve added complexity to it.

    BA’s vouchers, whether earned via Amex or Barclaycard, are simple. Virgin’s is not.

    • Mark says:

      I can explain most opportunities for how to maximise value with this hobby; the exception are the VA credit card vouchers which have had more relaunches and changes than Kier Starmers government!

      • JustSaying says:

        If you’re going to unnecessarily politicise it then more changes than the last Tory government had PMs works even better.

  • LJ says:

    Disappointing VA. Seems you are going downhill in many ways.

  • david says:

    How to be Economical with the Truth 101.

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