Aer Lingus pilots to start a ‘work to rule’

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• Tim says:

  20 Jun20 June 05:54

  I think the Reuben Brothers other property is Admiralty Arch. Walked passed it last week and their branding was all over it.

  • southlondonphil says:

    20 Jun20 June 07:49

    Admiralty Arch is due to open as a Waldorf Astoria (in 2025) I believe. Whilst this may have cjhanged, Reuben Brothers are also redeveloping Cambridge House on Piccadilly (between Half Moon Street and White Horse Street) which the following website says has been earmarked for a hotel.

    https://spearswms.com/property/one-carrington-first-look-inside-reuben-brothers-mayfair-regeneration-project/

    sotrhat’s another (more likely IMO, since work is already underway) possible location.

    • TGLoyalty says:

      20 Jun20 June 08:16

      Was thinking that as soon as I read the first line.

• G says:

  20 Jun20 June 06:39

  Does this affect Aer Lingus UK (i.e MAN) flights?

  Flying to MCO from MAN next month

  • Ian says:

    20 Jun20 June 07:43

    I’m pretty sure the UK pilots are separately employed, on different contracts.

  • Blair Waldorf Salad says:

    20 Jun20 June 07:49

    I suspect it will based on the number of pilots I’ve seen shuttled between DUB and MAN over the last few years. The flight crews seem interchangeable despite the UK registered company.

    • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

      20 Jun20 June 08:43

      Is it a UK registered company or does it just have a UK Air Operations Certificate?

      They aren’t the same.

  • NorthernLass says:

    20 Jun20 June 10:25

    In the event that your flight was cancelled due to strike action, EI would still have to re-route you to MCO. Maybe have a contingency plan – there is lots of info in the forum here about your rights around flight disruption.

• Nick says:

  20 Jun20 June 06:55

  The Reuben brothers own the former Naval & Military Club (better known as the “In and Out Club”) premises at Cambridge House on Piccadilly along with other adjacent buildings. That property is under conversion to become a 5 star hotel. Perhaps a likely venue for Mondrian branding?

• AndreasJ says:

  20 Jun20 June 06:58

  24% is a bit steep…?

  • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

    20 Jun20 June 08:32

    Only when you compound 5 years worth of missed pay rises into one catch-up rise.

    • Andrew says:

      20 Jun20 June 09:41

      I’ll admit I know nothing about this particular dispute but presumably at some point the union agreed to those years of no pay rises to help the airline out during covid when inflation was very low anyway. Unless that agreement came on the condition that the airline make up for it when things improve then it seems disingenous to accept low pay rises only to later insist that you deserve more money to make up for it.

      • Callum says:

        20 Jun20 June 16:38

        I miss the days when people who “I admit know nothing about this” would just stay quiet instead of rambling uninformed opinions…

  • Callum says:

    20 Jun20 June 09:36

    If 24% would result in them simply restoring pay to the level it was at their last pay rise, it seems incredibly reasonable…

    Unless you’re more interested in optimising business profit than you are in human beings I guess.

    • Bervios says:

      20 Jun20 June 13:39

      Great I’ll have that too, but then I’m public sector so tax would go up.

      • G says:

        20 Jun20 June 14:12

        Or just cut the wasteful elephant that is otherwise known as the NHS.

        Cutting off all benefits to the working age / abled bodied 21 year olds and over and whacking the state pension up to 70 would fix a lot too.

        • Lady London says:

          20 Jun20 June 22:22

          You’ve been reading the secret real Tory Manifesto, haven’t you….

        • Geoff says:

          21 Jun21 June 19:32

          Improve army efficiency. So much waste on rubbish.

• daveinitalia says:

  20 Jun20 June 07:07

  Not sure if it’s been mentioned here already as I’ve not been reading here much lately but my UK-based Revolut is now offering Revpoints (Rob did an article a few months ago on them) so now my Revolut spend can earn points that can be converted to Avios.

  I’m getting one point per £10 which isn’t brilliant but if you have a higher tier plan you get better rates up to 1 point per point for the most expensive tier, Ultra.

  It’s probably less exciting for those living in the UK as you can always stick an Avios Barclaycard behind Curve to use in places where you need to use a debit card. But I moved to Italy before the Barclaycard launched so that wasn’t an option for me.

  • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

    20 Jun20 June 08:33

    Yes there are threads about it in the forum

• Matt says:

  20 Jun20 June 08:31

  O/T – is the alluded to Barclays Premier enhanced sign-up avios bonus dead in the water? Rob made a few allusions across the chats and forums in March and April that something was coming very soon. Wondering if I should just sign up now with the standard 25k avios before they increase the £75k salary requirement (no idea if that’s planned but just conscious it’s been £75k for yonks). Advice welcome thank you.

  • Rob says:

    20 Jun20 June 09:39

    Promotion was cancelled, yes.

    • Matt says:

      20 Jun20 June 10:21

      Thanks for confirming. A shame, but the standard 25k avios is not to be sniffed at.

      • Rob says:

        20 Jun20 June 10:30

        It was never going to be more Avios, it was going to be a cash incentive on top.

    • Rob says:

      20 Jun20 June 10:31

      The union is making some eye watering claims about the increases in Lingus profitability between 2019 and now but I didn’t want to repeat them without having gone back to first principles to verify the numbers.

• Ben says:

  20 Jun20 June 09:27

  If there is a shortage of pilots everywhere, and it’s a pretty transferable job, can’t they just go to another airline and get their better pay elsewhere? I assume it’s an inherent danger for IAG that they lose pilots that will never return.

  • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

    20 Jun20 June 09:38

    Not necessarily that easy.

    Better pay and first choice of routes and working patterns comes with seniority and where you were at X airline doesn’t automatically feed through to Y airline.

    Plus there is the likely hood of having to move elsewhereand uproot family etc

  • Carlos says:

    20 Jun20 June 09:42

    Some probably will. Others may have family commitments, mortgages etc that make it difficult to move unless there’s a competitor at the same base.

  • Rhys says:

    20 Jun20 June 11:15

    Unlike most jobs, being a pilot is based on seniority & years spent at the airline, with better wages/routes going to the most senior, giving them an incentive to stick around. Bizarrely, this isn’t usually transferable.

    • Nick says:

      20 Jun20 June 11:31

      Post brexit it’s also harder because licences aren’t transferable between the UK and EU any more, so the biggest nearby market (UK) is off limits to EI pilots. Ryanair is a step down not up for anyone who likes flying longhaul, a handful do move there but that’s mainly for the fixed rosters that work better around family life, the pay is essentially the same.

    • Richie says:

      20 Jun20 June 11:52

      Yes, there are some senior BA long haul pilots who can pick the no jet-lag routes.

      • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

        20 Jun20 June 13:27

        And many airlines cabin crew also have a similar seniority system that is also not transferable

  • NorthLondonLiberal says:

    21 Jun21 June 14:12

    I’ve had friends switch between EasyJet and Virgin and the biggest challenge they faced was the cost/time of retraining on new aircraft which also impacts seniority.

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