Stuffed #5: How Gold Upgrade Vouchers became worthless for British Airways First Class

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• Hostler says:

  22 Dec22 December 17:48

  Surely access to A class in a world with smaller F cabins and therefore less Redemption availability is a huge perk of the GUF2 voucher, extra Avios but miles more availability still gives it lots of value.

• Josh Critchley says:

  22 Dec22 December 18:23

  Less Tesco air miles prols in F. What’s the struggle with that? The clue is the name: First. It’ll be far more premium then.

  • Tim says:

    22 Dec22 December 19:32

    without bums on seats (regardless of where they shop), the cabin will be entirely pointless. Real estate at 32,000ft is expensive and so if they can’t fill the space, some other use will be made of it.

    • Josh says:

      22 Dec22 December 20:45

      BA can make out like the Frenchies and go to 4 seats. That’ll keep riffraff back in club and rather improve the premium nature of it for the real paying customers and ruling classes.

      • Mark says:

        22 Dec22 December 21:31

        Keep trolling 🙂

  • Harry T says:

    22 Dec22 December 21:48

    Probably have to get some decent food and service before they can make it premium.

  • LondonCalling says:

    23 Dec23 December 01:29

    What an odious man you are. Horrible. Try to be kind to others, it really will make you a better person as you go through your life.

    • Josh says:

      23 Dec23 December 10:06

      Being right does not mean always popular. Anything that makes F for proper customers again is a good thing. As Jacob would say, it won’t be popular with those not meant to be there

      • Rob says:

        23 Dec23 December 11:24

        If you’re paying full price, you’re not flying BA F. You’ll find most are staff who are contractually obliged to dress smartly on staff travel.

        • Alex says:

          25 Dec25 December 22:28

          Not quite true .. there are plenty of routes where you need to pay for First: BGI, MLE, SEZ (where I once waitlisted for *paid* A class seat for a month and couldn’t clear as a GGL)

          On the wider point – I think you kind of hit the point in your post: those who are earning 3k+ Tier Points a year aren’t often using avios (except a GGL joker), and are mostly flying paid business: so the GUFs are generally used to bump paid business tickets to first (at least speaking for me and everyone I know who is GGL too)

    • marks7389 says:

      23 Dec23 December 12:39

      What made me laugh was the idea that Club World is full of “riff raff”. Goodness knows what he thinks of people who travel in economy! 🙂

  • Tom says:

    23 Dec23 December 04:26

    I know this is part trolling but the real problem is not Tesco, it’s US credit cards. BA has gone all in on the US credit card market in a way other European airlines haven’t and has now backed themselves into a corner. There are lots of people in the US with loads of Avios or credit card miles they can convert instantly who want to redeem for BA F.

• Not Long Now... says:

  22 Dec22 December 18:26

  I’m as much for conspiracy theory as the next lunatic, but equally, I’m quite up for unplanned consequences, or whoever took the decision not really understanding their product. Personally, it won’t make any difference to me, but just wondering why they wouldn’t just release any unsold F inventory say a week before the flight. Surely a bum in a first seat burning a few thousand Avios and a few hundred quid is better than an empty seat? I suppose there’s the hope of upselling from the back and bumping someone up to make room, but presumably need a very good assessment of actual cost bases to do ‘the math’. Anyway, BA aren’t exactly going broke anytime soon, so I guess it doesn’t really matter what the collective HFP body feels. Purely subjectively, from the many comments I read on here, there seem to be an awful lot of people “giving up on Avios” and the like, yet continuing to be wildly upset by any and every change to the system.
  Hands up who actually has given up?

  (Imagine my little hand hovering in the air here… BAAX cancelled, all auto converts cancelled, will continue to fly BA if I find cheap (presumably ex-EU) fares, or if no viable alternative)

  • John says:

    22 Dec22 December 18:37

    > why they wouldn’t just release any unsold F inventory say a week before the flight

    Because then nobody would buy F until a week before

  • Mikeact says:

    22 Dec22 December 22:50

    As I’ve said before, I have a list of ‘never again BA’ and now starting a new one ‘ditching Avios’, which I find surprising for decent RFS European breaks.

• Tafflyer says:

  22 Dec22 December 19:00

  BA don’t fill F with revenue Pax because it’s generally not worth the money. Special offers sometime reduce the cost but then the high fees on redemption costs almost amount to the same income for BA. Straight redemptions into F as opposed to CW plus GUF have increased in attractiveness.

  • Dev says:

    23 Dec23 December 07:49

    What would be the premium your prepared to pay over J for the current iteration of F?

    For me, £350 (NY/Wast Coast/Mumbai) to £600 (Far East/South America).

    • Rob says:

      23 Dec23 December 08:35

      In my (private) ‘what value did I get for my Avios?’ calcs I put it in at £500 over whatever I’d pay for J on that route.

      In reality of course it is different. I would happily pay £500 return via Manage My Booking on a solo trip but would I pay £2k to upgrade the family?

• Rog says:

  23 Dec23 December 09:43

  Read this with interest as I have BA upgrades (Amex old and new) plus a GUF2 from this year to redeem in 22/23.

  Some interesting suggestions about the ‘type of people’ who have these but I would add another angle which is not about fixation on Avios but about perceived value.

  Please correct me if totally mistaken in my theory but Avios rewards might not well be available in F at all (they are more rare, especially 2) and therefore having the ability to upgrade from CW to fly F without Avios availability is huge.

  I am fortunate enough to be able to pay cash to fly F relatively regularly plus have been able to take advantage of BA Holidays double T points offer for business.

  Therefore, I want to travel F and on times and dates I want but generally can’t because of availability to use Avios. A ‘penalty’ of 20,000 plus a chunk of cash to be able to fly F is therefore potentially fine by me – not great and makes me grumpy but not a deal breaker.

  The value is in the cash difference between CW and F which can be £1.5k + per ticket long haul and therefore I would see it as saving £2k in my strange man maths.

  The calculation I would do is – what is delta between cash CW and F and is that then ‘worth’ £1,000 and 20,000 Avios. The answer is invariably yes I would hypothesise. Additionally, the amount of Avios you have and how you got them is a big consideration also. If you are fortunate enough to be in multiple millions then 20K is minor whereas having a pot of 100K is different story.

  It’s not ideal at all but as the article suggests the priorities and calculations might be more nuanced.

• Globetrotter says:

  5 Jan5 January 22:58

  A bit of an old thread but wondered if you had any feedback to this Rob? Just tried to do a long haul Avios redemption in A class using GUF2 and old Amex 241, and BA were charging high non-RFS taxes and c.50k more Avios for offpeak return (!). Completely put me off trying to earn another GUF2.

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