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Curve Card made a slightly confusing announcement on Friday, emailing members to tell them that it was imposing a 1.5% fee on anyone who used their card to pay off a credit card.

The reason it was confusing is that paying credit cards using Curve Card is against its terms and conditions.  It represented financial recycling.

Because Curve Card recharges your payment to whatever Visa or Mastercard you link to it, you were effectively paying off a credit card with another credit card to earn points.  This was not allowed.

Curve Card adds 1.5% fee to credit card repayments

Curve Card had already blocked some financial institutions from its system.  American Express seemed to come and go – a lot of people found that they could pay off their American Express bills using Curve and earn points on whatever underlying credit card was linked to it.  Personally I never got this to work, but I have a ‘first generation’ Curve Card which is structured slightly differently.

Which merchants will Curve Card now charge you 1.5% to pay?

Curve Card has now categorised two types of payments which will incur a 1.5% fee.  These are known as ‘Curve Fronted’ transactions and are explained on the Curve website site.

The fees are triggered by the coding applied by the merchant.  This may lead to anomalies as some merchants are incorrectly coded, or have a code which represents a different part of their business to the part you are transacting with.

The following payments use Merchant Category Code 9399 and are now charged at 1.5%:

  • HMRC (this change was made a few months ago)
  • National Savings & Investments, including Premium Bonds
  • DVLA Vehicle Tax
  • Student Loan Payments

Until yesterday, all of the above – except for HMRC – were payable with Curve Card for free and could be recharged to a credit card which earned points.

The following payments use Merchant Category Code 6012 and are now charged at 1.5%:

  • Paying credit card bills, loans or mortgages, where your Curve Card recharges to a credit card
  • Purchasing financial services or products from banks, Credit Unions, Deposit Takers
  • Purchasing foreign or non-fiat currency such as cryptocurrency, travelers cheques or money orders
  • Purchasing store value cards such as prepaid cards

In reality, most of the above were already blocked by Curve Card on an ad-hoc basis and were against its terms and conditions in any event.

Barclaycard is known to block payments with Curve Card and this policy is unlikely to change.  Other credit card companies may move to block Curve Card payments to discourage financial recycling even if Curve itself is happy to allow it.

Can you get around this fee?

Yes. 

If you have Curve Metal (£15 per month), you are exempt from these charges.

This means you can now, openly, pay off your credit card with another (or even the same!) Visa or Mastercard credit card linked to Curve as long as you pay £15 per month for Curve Metal.

Does this makes sense?

It depends.  For a start, some underlying credit cards will – irrespective of whether Curve imposes its 1.5% fee – treat these payments as a cash advance.  This means that you wouldn’t earn points and, worse, would be hit with a 3% cash advance fee.

Barclaycard is also known to block Curve Card payments and others may follow suit (MBNA is fine, Amex is usually fine).  The only way to be sure if a payment will work is to test.

Secondly, you are limited by your Curve Card limits.  Most people start at £50,000 per year, with daily and monthly limits on top.   If you’re lucky you may get moved up to £100,000 per year.  Even if you are a high spender, you will still bump up against the cap on your total Curve Card spending.

In some scenarios it would work.  If you could recharge £50,000 of credit card repayments to your Virgin Atlantic Reward+ Mastercard, which earns 1.5 miles per £1 spent, you’d be picking up 75,000 additional Flying Club miles per year.

Curve Card adds 1.5% fee to credit card repayments

In this scenario, the £15 per month cost of Curve Metal would make sense.  However, it would depend on Virgin Money deciding not to treat your Curve Card transactions to financial services businesses as cash withdrawals, or deciding to block Curve Card payments entirely.

Is it still worth getting a Curve Card?

It has some value, yes.

For a start, you can still recharge any purchase which is ‘debit card only’ to an underlying Visa or Mastercard credit card and so earn points.

As long as the purchase doesn’t fall into the categories listed above, you’re fine.

You can also make free ATM withdrawals and have them recharged to your credit card, treated as a miles-earning purchase.  There is a monthly cap which varies depending on which Curve Card you have.

Curve Card will pay you £10 to try it ….

…. so there is no risk.

To sign up to Curve, simply go to this page of their websiteThe easiest thing to do is order the free Blue card and then upgrade to Black or Metal once you have got familiar with it, although you can start immediately on Black or Metal if you want.

Curve will pay you £10 for trying it out if you use our link.

Our introductory guide to Curve Card is here if you are a new HfP reader.


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Comments (256)

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  • Mr. AC says:

    I sincerely hope they don’t start treating ALL transactions with MCC 9399 this way. It’s fine when it’s a limited set of merchants, but a lot of other stuff uses that code, e.g. buying tickets for the Louvre, other museums, theatres some VFS visa services, etc etc.
    But it’s done rather well – by toggling a “Curve Fronted” option in the app you can block transactions that would have attracted a fee from going through, OR you can recharge them to a debit card using “Go Back in Time” and the fee is refunded. The FAQ is also pretty detailed and exhaustive (apart from the MCC point above).

    • John says:

      Can you not use a credit card directly for those things?

      • Mr. AC says:

        All of these are overseas (or charge in non-GBP), so I use Curve for the 0% FX with an underlying credit card to earn points. This is ostensibly Curve’s main ‘legit’ use case – saving on the 3% fee most point-earning credit cards have.

        • John says:

          I see. Are these all online only or as the comment below alludes to, would any in person purchases ever be subject to this Fronted thing?

    • DJ says:

      I guess it would be awkward to use get a decline message when buying a ticket at the door!

    • Alex says:

      Surprisingly the cash advance fee might not be refunded if you go back in time. It happened to me a couple of months ago when I topped up Revolut using my Virgin credit card, was hit with £10 fee, changed the funding source to a debit card but the Virgin anyway charged the fee plus interest on top. Raised a dispute with them but the fee still not refunded and they keep saying they are busy and will get back in a due course.

      • Mr. AC says:

        If the fee is charged by the underlying card, that’s different (and unsurprising that the refund is tricky). I’m talking about Curve’s own fees, e.g. the ATM fee or the new Fronted fee.

  • Neil Donoghue says:

    Can you pay for curve metal for the first month and then just cancel it if you don’t like the service?

  • Layerden says:

    What about those of us that has been using the Tesco debit card and getting clubcard points has this been affected by this?

    • Secret Squirrel says:

      NS&I today still not being charged fees.

      • Gareth says:

        Just out of interest which underlying CC and how much have you done today secret squirrel?!

        • Secret Squirrel says:

          2k – IHG

          • Gareth says:

            Thanks SS – I’ve done 2k over last few days from IHG for the first tome just nervous that they may charge me a cash advance fee!!

          • Aiman says:

            should I be more careful SS?
            I have been using curve for nsandi and paying 5k every few days

          • Mick says:

            I like the fact this ns&i has no limit. Few large ones coming up!

    • Wally1976 says:

      Can you pay NS&I directly with Tesco debit and get points or does it have to be done through Curve?

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        @Gareth:
        I usually do double that a time but been testing over the weekend.

    • TGLoyalty says:

      As it’s a debit card then no should be fine. But I’m interested why you use curve is the tesco Debit card blocked?

      If you can go direct then you should as Tesco know exactly which merchant MCC NS&I has (curve told them) and gave you points anyway.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        The “acid test” will be monthly cc statements when they come in. If Curve do not apply fees for some merchant’s now, we might be hit with cash advance fees from the underlying card provider!
        Potentially next week we could see if fees are charged by card providers, be good to hear everyone’s reports.

    • Crafty says:

      Tesco directly to NS&I? Is it not treated as cash?

  • Mikeact says:

    The Virgin example is probably a bit unfortunate today !

  • Andrew Clayfield says:

    Anyone know the merchant category code for paying off the Virgin Atlantic Reward+ Mastercard?

    • jc says:

      6012 I believe. Paying practically any bank/finance bill (where not directly acquiring cash) is 6012

  • Mick says:

    Not seeing that much use for the Curve card now. I’ve never really used it for day-to-day purchases (coffee, subway sandwiches etc) as Amex has been my primary card and Apple watch means I don’t need to carry lots of cards anyway.

    My biggest use of the card was recycling credit balances to get points. However, it’s just not worth the metal fee and hassle anymore. When Hilton (for example) run the “buy points with 100% bonus” promotion it works out cheaper than paying the monthly fee with curve.

  • Mick says:

    and lots of comments on the curve website about them breaching the rules on not giving customer 60 days notice. The announcement a few months ago was just referring to HMRC.

    • John says:

      Do they need to give 60 days notice for every individual merchant then? Not trying to defend them but they already said cash recycling is against their T&Cs and this Fronted thing would be implemented in January – starting with HMRC. The fee is supposed to be reversible anyway

      It’s almost like this road I saw a few months ago. Average speed cameras were installed last year and everyone kept speeding, one day a sign popped up saying enforcement starts today, lo and behold the local newspaper suddenly reported lots of people getting fined/prosecuted

    • Lumma says:

      Previously you weren’t allowed to pay credit cards with curve

      Now you are, but with a fee unless you have metal

      Can’t see how someone can argue that it’s an unfair change

      • shd says:

        Won’t the regulator and/or the credit card issuers involved be keen to shut this down, even if Curve think they will continue to allow it on Curve Metal?

        • Lumma says:

          Possibly, but my point was that they haven’t added a fee to something that was previously free as you weren’t formerly allowed to do it (officially)

        • memesweeper says:

          I don’t see paying off a card with a card as any different from doing a balance transfer, which most credit card companies offer, albeit with a higher fee than using curve. I can’t imagine the regulators will block it — and the card companies might find a regulator disapproving of attempts to block curve.

          • Chrisasaurus says:

            With a balance transfer the card co gets to make a decision, risk calculation, credit ref check etc

            Recycling is quite obviously to the detriment of the card co also, given it’s being done for the ‘free’points

        • The Urbanite says:

          Barclaycard already have! They don’t accept Curve for credit card account payments.

  • Doogie says:

    Is the starting cap not £10k?
    It was on both mine and my wife’s and I only got mine up to £50k with a KYC ID upload.

    • John says:

      My limit has always been 50K and never sent them any ID or docs

    • Lumma says:

      I started with £10k and they upped it to £20k when I asked (didn’t specify the limit I wanted)

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        I got them to up my limit to 100k with no ID KYC docs.

        • Vinz says:

          Months and months ago I asked them to up my limit from 50k to 100k and they did it no problems. No docs needed. I was told not to pay off cc bills with other credit cards as that was against the rules, but I carried on regardless. Never a single problem.

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