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I don’t try to pretend that I’m an expert on things I don’t understand.  That’s why I am going to spare you my thoughts on the impressive British Airways shut-down yesterday.

There is plenty of in-depth coverage without a paywall at The Guardian, BBC News etc.  It does seem that, this time, the failure went far beyond the FLY passenger management system which has been the cause of most meltdowns over the past year.

I was just lucky that, despite it being half term, I’m not actually on a BA flight until next Friday.  It is a minor consolation for me given that we booked into a UK countryside hotel this weekend just to find that the weather forecast for today and Monday looks appalling …..!

If you were caught up in the chaos yesterday or the consequences today, feel free to share your experiences in the comments to this article.

PS.  Given that BA’s outsourcing of its IT operation will have played a large part in the poor response yesterday, it does not bode well for the BA call centre in Newcastle which I understand is on the verge of being transferred to Capita.

British Airways to introduce an £8 fee on third party bookings

Back in 2015, Lufthansa took a brave leap and imposed a €16 fee on every ticket booked via a travel agent or indeed anyone who used a ‘global distribution system’ such as Amadeus, Sabre or Travelport.  The airline claimed that it was paying up to €18 in fees for every ticket sold and wanted to encourage passengers and agents to use its own website.

Many thought that Lufthansa would backtrack but it held firm.

British Airways and Iberia have now decided to add their own £8 / €9.50 per segment (so £16 for a return flight) fee from 1st November.

It isn’t clear what the impact of this will be on the leisure market.  Only BA knows what percentage of leisure passengers book on, say, Expedia versus ba.com.  How many passengers, when they see British Airways on Expedia costing £14 more than easyJet, will know that BA is actually £2 cheaper if booked direct?

The share prices of Amadeus, Sabre and Travelport all fell on Friday by up to 4% (see this Reuters report) which implies that the market believes trade customers will simply move to booking direct.  Concur, for instance, claims that it will be able to integrate direct booking seamlessly into its system so that corporate users see no change to their current booking process.  Leisure travellers won’t do that if they are not educated that direct booking is sharply cheaper.


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Comments (221)

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  • Paul Hampton says:

    And so it continues… after a weekend of spending all day at the airport on Saturday and all day yesterday getting rebooked for today, we have woken up to a text from BA cancelling the rebooked connecting flight from MAN > LHR today.

    Words fail me and I am unable to get hold of BA to try to salvage anything.

    Options right now as I see them, after screaming loudly and tearing out my hair are….

    1. Train to Euston, then taxi to Paddington and take Heathrow Express – no guarantee the LHR > NCE leg won’t cancelled

    2. Hire car to LHR – as above and cutting it fine now to arrange and navigate motorways on a Bank Holiday

    3. Rebook for tomorrow and make it a 4 day break instead of 7 – hardly seems worth it

    4. Accept it’s game over

    Any other advice guys?

    • Phil says:

      Taxi to Wilmslow then train to London- apparently this is much quicker

    • Genghis says:

      I wouldn’t rely on BA at the moment. Any LCC options direct to Nice at a price point you’re happy with? If not, I’d look into abandoning your trip (read travel insurance policy then call them up). What a shambles

    • CV3V says:

      Go check out Easyjet, ryanair etc flights from MAN and all other nearish airports, and fly direct. Later, tell BA what you are forced to do, and make sure your inbound flight doesnt get cancelled as a result.

  • Paul Hampton says:

    Does anyone know if EU261 still applies, in addition to accepting a full refund if one abandons their trip due to flight being (repeatedly) cancelled?

    • Cheshire Pete says:

      Yes, Refund or Rebook, are totally separate from the compensation aspect which is +3 hours -1 hour reference to your original arrival time.

  • Daffy says:

    We booked a ba holiday. (2 seperate holidaymbookings as my daughter and I were flying the day prior to my husband nad son0
    27/5 lhr T5. Taxi to lhr (£50). We were checked onto flight after queueing for 2 hrs. Left luggage in middle of t5 landslide as advised. Through security. Ran to boarding gate and were told we would be delayed by 15 mins. Then 1 hr, then another hour. We sat and waited…after 3+hrs, no one came back. There was a queue snaking round T5 from end to end, we found out that this queue was for everyone that had their flights cancelled and was to exit or rebook. Our flight still showed as delayed boarding. Well, to cut a long story short…iwe were stranded and abandoned. In the 12 hours we were stuck in T5 airside, for 8hrs we only found 5 ba staff…they were checking boarding passes to let people out.
    Not even water was given. We eventually unceremoniously exited onto the street, unable to get our luggage..or any shred of advice. Queued 45mins for a taxi home £50
    Husband was booked to fly ba ex lhr yesterday. Went to airport (taxi £50)to find flight cancelled. Got taxi home.£50.
    Yesterday booked on to Monarch for today. Shopped for replacement holiday items as everything is in cases in T5. All hopefully flying out today for,the remaining 3nights of,our hols!

  • Tony says:

    Finally got to BKK today on rebooked Sunday flight. Our luggage was shipped off to external storage facility on Saturday so couldn’t reclaim it from T5 on Sunday morning. Waited at the luggage carousel at Suvarnabhumi Airport in the vague hope that it might have shipped on our flight but no such luck. Went to BA lost luggage and immediately received 2 x £100 prepaid Mastercards under EU compensation rules and informed that we should receive our luggage in next few days. The compo Is most welcome as my wife only has what she’s wearing so she’s off out shopping this evening for enough clothes to last her a couple of days. I got nervous before checking in at T5 on Saturday as matters were obviously heading south and shifted a few changes of clothes into my cabin case. A good lesson for me for the future.

    • Tony says:

      I should also add some of the outlay incurred since Saturday’s flight cancellation. £185 hotel bill for Saturday night, £6 tube fare, £44 dinner, £10 toiletries and £88 taxi fare for return trip to T5 on Sunday morning. Lost over £100 for one night stay at BKK hotel and had to fork out over £80 today for replacement AirAsia flight. Will claim for most of it from BA and the BKK hotel and replacement AirAsia flight from travel insurance. Still a mighty pain having to claim, though.

  • Ben says:

    Does anyone know what will happen with a 2-4-1 after flights are cancelled? I would hope for a new one, with the full 2 years, as they’re not easy to use when limited to school holidays.

    • BA2 says:

      You can change flights you don’t want for any time up until the end of November rather than cancel them – this includes cases where 2-4-1 vouchers were used. There doesn’t need to be redemption availability so that’s not a concern. There may be some flexibility over destination (within the same zone) but I don’t know this particular bit for sure. Given the above, you won’t get a new 2-year voucher.

      • Anna says:

        A lot of people won’t be able to do that – if you have to book your leave 12 months in advance and/or can only travel in the school holidays you are pretty much scuppered.

        • Ben says:

          Exactly. We need to stick to school holidays, my wife and I need to book leave well in advance, and we have some other commitments. Takes some planning!

      • Ben says:

        Thanks. The reason I was asking is that while we’d love to simply rebook and go another time, it’s highly unlikely we’ll be able to do it between now and November.

  • Rich84 says:

    We flew back from Santiago with BA on Wednesday so fortunately didn’t get caught up in the carnage. We hadn’t flown with BA for quite a long time so wanted to see how flying with them is these days, especially on the 787 Dreamliner. Sorry to say that it wasn’t good, very unfriendly staff and not at all impressed with the seating or space in WT+. So with this current fiasco it will be the last time we ever fly with them, they really need a good shake up, and a CEO who is capable of doing it.

    • Tony says:

      Different strokes for different folks.

      My wife and I flew our first BA long-haul on Sunday, landing today, to BKK, and have to say that I couldn’t find fault. Excellent service, food and, as much maligned as the CW seating arrangement is, I thought it was fine. We were seated in the middle ‘honeymoon’ cubicle and the lie flat bed was comfortable and spacious and the cubicle felt cosy.

      Obviously, we weren’t impressed with the T5 fiasco on Saturday which has left us without our luggage and a missed day of holiday. But we’ve already received 200 quid compo for the luggage debacle, so that’s a start, to be followed by a further compo claim on our return.

      Unfortunately, my wife is threatening never to fly BA long-haul ever again. I’ll let the dust settle on that one particularly as I have quite a pot of Avios to spend.

      • Nony says:

        Thats because she was left with no smalls. No lady generally accepts such a circumstance gracefully. Well, none that I know of unfortunately!

        • Tony says:

          True, Nony, but a little bit more to it than just a lack of undercrackers. Two hours queuing up to check in only to sit in the lounge for an hour and then have to leave the terminal, which was no easy feat. Then to find an available hotel and subsequent hour long trek into London and then up at 4am on Sunday for return trip to T5.

          I know what most upset my wife and that was the uncertainty of the if and when we would of got to BKK. Fortunately my perseverance saved the day and we only lost a day.

          Our twice annual holidays are months in the planning and my wife reasonably expects a seamless trip to see her mum and I don’t really blame her subsequent reaction to BA. Like I said, I’ll let the dust settle and reckon she’ll soften her stance in the coming months.

  • Optimus Prime says:

    Fying to LHR with Iberia tomorrow. Should I bring only carry-on?

    Are people landing at LHR having problems to recover their bags or only those flying out of there?

  • Tom says:

    O/T but BA related…

    We booked LHR to JFK return in WT+, and were upgraded to Club on the outbound flight. Are we entitled to Avios & Tier Points at Club rate, rather than WT+? I feel I’ve read on here previously that you should get points for the cabin you actually fly in. Have only been awarded the points at WT+ rate at this stage; is it worth contacting BA (whether I’ll get anywhere in the current climate is a different point)

    • Genghis says:

      You get the avios and TPs you paid cash for. If upgrade was free then you get WT+ TPs. If UuA you get WT+ TPs. If POUG or AUP you get CW TPs.

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