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British Airways deals with ‘old First’ by closing the First Class cabin on four routes

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I wrote in December about how British Airways was offering 50,000 Avios as compensation to anyone who flew in First Class and was unlucky enough to get the old First Class seat, like this one:

British Airways old First Class seat

British Airways has now come up with a plan to deal with the remaining planes with ‘old First’ without paying to refurbish them.  These are planes which are due to be retired in the medium term.

From the start of the Winter timetable in late October, First Class tickets will no longer be available for sale on the following flights:

Cape Town (BA43 and BA42 Winter, BA59 and BA58 Summer)

Vancouver (BA85 and BA84)

Phoenix (BA289 and BA288)

Las Vegas (BA275 and BA274)

The Boeing 747’s with ‘old First’ will become a dedicated mini-fleet which will only be used on these four services.  The strategy is:

When less than 52 Club World seats are sold, close off the First Class cabin

When more than 52 Club World seats are sold, open First Class and upgrade passengers based on BA status

What is not clear is if the seating plan would automatically open when 52 seats are sold, with only BA status passengers being able to select seats in First, or if BA will process all upgrades themselves.  It is possible that, if a flight has a lot of last minute cancellations, First could be closed at short notice and passengers moved back to Club World.

This seems like a sensible move for British Airways with, in general, other flight alternatives available for a passenger who wants to fly in First.


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Comments (35)

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  • Phillip says:

    Interesting article over at Business Traveller saying that the old F seats will be sold as J! There seems to be a fair amount of contradiction!

    • Col A-B says:

      Ermmm…..that’s precisely what this whole thread is about.

      • AviosNewbie says:

        Honestly, I wasn’t clear about this either until I read the Business Traveller article. Probably I misunderstood, but this thread doesn’t specifically mention that F seats will be sold as J

      • Phillip says:

        I initially read this as no FIRST to be sold and the physical seats only used if more than 52 Club seats sold. I read the Business Traveller article as no FIRST to be sold but the physical seats open to Club passengers at any one point. I guess in some respects both can be true, BA just needs to clarify the technicalities behind how and when the physical FIRST seats open up.

  • Chilibenny says:

    I know this is off topic and apologies but for those who were interested, my BlinkBox points have all posted today.

  • Susan says:

    On Business Traveller the main BA adverts are “Get a Free upgrade from business class to First”

    Coincidence?

    • Phillip says:

      @Susan I believe that’s been going on for years. Not sure if it is only certain fares in Club but BA have for a long time been offering free one way upgrades to First under certain circumstances.

  • john says:

    i havent read anywhere that these will be offered to status passengers…i imagine they will do what they do when they use a 62J 777

  • Andy says:

    I am effected by this. If they contact me and say I am getting downgraded to J then they will have a fight on their hands. Downgrade is payable under EU261 by 75% of the First class return ticket. It doesn’t matter how far out it is, there is no mention in the regs of a time limit like there is for cancelations.
    BA made me an offer of a first class seat for x amount of money, I accepted that offer, I paid the asking price, I have a ticket (actually 2) for it.
    Now they are cancelling that offer. I can see that this isn’t even an EU261 issue. I could go down the offer and acceptance route, pure and simple a consumer protection act issue.

  • Matt says:

    I just got reassigned seats at check in at Bangkok, when I asked about the change they told me it was an aircraft change and I had been upgraded to old first with business class service. I’m only a BA bronze so happy.

  • lupek says:

    Confused. The YVR winter flights are once a day each way, sometimes new First, sometimes old First. Will there now be no First at all?

  • lupek says:

    And I don’t see how there are “other flight alternatives available for a passenger who wants to fly in First.” No-one in their right mind is going to route to Vancouver via Dallas, for example, just so they can fly First when they can fly Club World direct.

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