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3V cards no longer accepted by National Savings, utilities, council tax and HMRC

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Since I first wrote about them in June, a minor cottage industry has sprung up around the purchase of 3V Virtual Visa cards.

Basically, you can purchase these Visa gift cards in Tesco stores for face value.  The main reason for doing this is to take advantage of the ‘150 Clubcard points for spending £50 on gift cards’ promotion.  It can also help you meet the sign-up spending target on a new credit card.

Once you have your 3V card, you can use it for purchasing goods ONLINE.  If you have a few pounds left on any particular card, you can buy an amazon.co.uk gift certificate for the exact remaining balance.

You can add these onto your Amazon account without having to make a purchase, so the money is there next time you buy something.

The most common ways of using 3V cards were, however, NOT for purchasing ‘things’ online.  They were used for paying off bills, eg:

  • Council Tax
  • Gas and electricity
  • Inland Revenue
  • Mobile phones
  • Sky / Virgin bills

The most impressive use was to pay them into a National Savings Direct Saver bank accountThis was basically free Avios points.  You would go to a Tesco and spend £50 on 3V cards on your (say) BA Premium Plus Amex.  You would earn 75 Avios for the credit card spend and 360 Avios in Clubcard points.  Pay the money into National Savings and withdraw it.

As of yesterday, though, the game has changed.

3V cards are being declined for internet transactions where you are not buying ‘things’.  Council tax, Inland Revenue, National Savings, gas and electricity companies, Virgin – all dead.  Only Sky still appears to be working.

For a few people who had bought a large quantity and had yet to pay them into their account, they have a problem – albeit not a disastrous one.  They still seem to be accepted at High Street Vouchers, and Amazon still lets you buy gift certificates with them to add to your Amazon account.  They also, apparently, work for buying gift cards via TopCashBack’s TopGiftCard site.

If you are sitting on a pile of cards, you can also withdraw the balance to your bank account.  The smartest thing to do is pay £1.75 per card to merge the balance onto another card (max £1,000 balance) and then just pay one £3.50 fee to transfer the entire sum to your bank.

It is possible that this is some sort of IT bug.  However, as transactions to Amazon are still going through OK, it does seem that 3V has decided to strictly enforce the ability to only use the cards for ‘things’.

All ‘miles and points’ bandwagons like this come to an end eventually.  Something equally lucrative will be along again soon.  Luckily, because you can cash out to your bank account – albeit for a fee – no-one is going to lose a lot of money on this.

Interestingly, the last straw for 3V may have been people who were buying 3V cards in Morrisons – where they were far more easily available – instead of Tesco.  Morrisons was giving out vouchers for 1p off a litre of fuel for every £10 spent on gift cards.

Assuming that your car takes 70 litres of petrol, you were getting 70p off a full tank for every £10 of 3V cards you bought.  Add in the value of the credit card points and it was pretty lucrative.

3V cards are still worth buying in small quantities, if only to fund your Amazon purchases.  It is worth noting that the ‘other’ Virtual Visa cards sold in Tesco (the ones with the £3.95 fee per £50 card) ARE still being accepted by National Savings, HMRC etc so this is definitely a move instigated by 3V.


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Comments (172)

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  • Stephen says:

    In light of this, are the fee Visa gift cards now a good deal? How does this compare to paying the £3.50 fee on 3V into your bank?

    At least there may actually be 3V cards around now – I have never seen one!

    • Rob says:

      If you can those ‘100 points for a £20 gift card’ coupons from the Tesco magazine, it works just fine.

      2 x £25 cards costs £56. You get 2 x 100 points + 1 x 150 points = 350 points = 840 Avios, plus a further 84 if you use your BAPP Amex. Total cost is £5.90 for 924 Avios.

      Even better if the cashier lets you scan a Helping Hands or ‘£5 off £50 spend’ coupon you may have been sent.

      • Roger says:

        Aha! A reason for buying £25 cards – I had previously only considered the £50 cards as better value.

        Of course, it depends on getting the 100 point bonus coupons. My next £x off £y coupons are valid from Monday, so I’ll be looking for the magazines containing the coupons then.

        So much to consider …

        • JOE says:

          Hi,

          I recently brought £25 argos, So I could use 4 100 Pointers,

          Then brought £50 Visa in Argos!

      • Robin says:

        hmm, I only received 100 bonus points (plus the 150 points) when buying2x£25 3V cards the other day. The voucher from the magazine says it can only be used once … Should I have asked for it to be scanned twice?

        • Rob says:

          No, you should have taken more magazines and got more coupons!

        • kevino says:

          Yes, always ask that they do multiple scans.

          My experience is that you have a 50-50 chance of them being willing to do it.

          Confident young assistants are the best for this.

          If they say no, just ask for it back at the end of the transaction, and again you have a 50-50 chance of not getting a jobs-worth!

  • Kathy says:

    Ah well, this was never going to last. I only did £600 of 3Vs during the summer to hit my SPG spend target quickly. Shame I won’t be able to repeat the trick next year when I’m looking to churn another card.

    • JOE says:

      Does the spend target take Refunds into account.

      Mate has booked a £1k hotel months in advance, cancelled it after it was hit

      • Rob says:

        Yes, which is why you want the bonus to trigger (and transfer it out of Amex) before you do a refund

  • kevino says:

    Does anybody know which Regulation scheme 3V come under?

    I feel that their without notice change of use rules, which now mean that they profit from the card merging and bank fees at the customers expense would not be viewed too well.

    • Robert says:

      The T&Cs were clear, they card was for goods and services, not financial transactions.

      All they have done is started to enforce the T&Cs for NS&I. Nothing to get upset about there.

      • Lloyd says:

        Never personally bothered with 3V, partly because of the faff with it all and only seeing cards for the first time a couple of weeks ago.

        Whilst I have no sympathy with the NS&I / HMRC loophole being closed I have a little more sympathy with cards being blocked for utilities and council tax as they clearly both come under the ‘Service’ bracket so are not breaking the T&C’s. If 3V are stopping you making payments then they are surely breaking their own T&C’s???

      • kevino says:

        BT & the electricity companies provide services, as do water and the council.

        I would concede HMRC and NS&I.

        Has anybody got a full(ish) list of where they do still work?

        I have written to 3V to query the legality of what they have done, particularly without notice, as I feel that the Ombudsman would not be on their side given their obvious financial gain at the customers expense by this overnight change.

        • Robert says:

          The payment to Councils is a Council *tax*. I don’t think you can really claim it’s payment for a service.

          I agree that gas/electric/telecom bills are within the rules. However, here I disagree with the claim in Raffles’ post. Many such companies are still accepting 3v, so I’m not sure there is widespread blocking of such transactions by 3v.

  • Discount Mike says:

    I tried to get on this but after looking in about 6 Tesco’s and not finding any I gave up. Too many Headforpointers in London I guess.

  • CV says:

    I think it’s back to the original plan, wherever possible, and using the cards to pay off Sky and whoever still accepts as opposed to the mass transfer via NS&I which was going on. People must have been stripping the pegs in one swoop at my nearest Tescos (there one day, gone the next – across 4 stores!). Still a shame as I had found a constant supply in a village I commute past. It was good while it lasted and changed my forecasted avios earnings massively, time to revise back down again!

    Someone had posted just a few days ago, I think on PTS, that they had a way to pay them in and out via Paypal without fees (not sure about breaking any strict Paypal rules), although understandably they weren’t for sharing their trick.

    Also time to buy a HP printer and wait on the next Tesco cartridge bonus!

    • Rob says:

      You really do NOT want to mess with Paypal, they will close your account and freeze your cash at the first hint of trouble

      • CV says:

        Agreed, not worth the risk (or hassle), only a heads up that some bright spark on PTS thinks they have a safe method.

  • Nick says:

    The article does not explicitly say that NS&I are no longer accepting 3V. I paid in a stack of 3v cards last week. My account balance has been increased, but I cannot withdraw the funds. Is anybody else in the same boat?

    Presumably this is a change that 3V have initiated. I’m gutted. I never really did this for avios as I could never find them in Tesco, but I’ve been using it to save £30 off a tank of diesel for ages. I’ll start looking for ways to monetise the cards, but it looks like my fuel is going to go up in price significantly in the meantime!

    • What's the Point says:

      NS&I deposits from the 3V cards take at least 7 working days to clear for before you can withdraw them

  • Russell Evans says:

    Sky are certainly going to notice an inordinate amount of £25 credits against bills in the coming days!! Agree with all before that it has been good while it lasted. I managed around £10K spend on 3V’s which would appear to have netted about 96K Avios from Clubcard, plus another 20K for AMEX Gold MR points which is not to be sniffed at for free! Waiting for a club card to Avios transfer bonus but it could be a long wait. Will toast the 3V cards in First on Qatar on the way down to the Maldives for our Honeymoon! 🙂
    Now to start the hunt for the next big loophole to exploit!

  • Christickler says:

    Hypothetically – if I had £500 worth of 3V (20 Cards) still to redeem – is my maths corrects for transferring the £500 to my bank account?

    19 Cards x £1.75 per card = £33.25
    1 x transfer fee of £3.50

    TOTAL COST £36.75

    If I had got the cards from Morrison’s I would have 50p of a litre of fuel (50p x 50 litres) = £25

    If I had got the cards from Tesco’s I would have received 1500 Club Card Points / 3600 Avios.

    Dependent on the credit card I used – I could have also received up to an additional 2000 Avios (BMI AMEX paying 4 x Avios per £1 in December).

    It still doesn’t seem like to bad a deal – if my maths is correct!

    • Daniel says:

      BMI Amex @ 4avios per £1? Have I missed something?

      • louie-m says:

        If you were targeted…..

      • Rob says:

        Some people were targeted with a double miles promo for December

        • dannyrado says:

          I’ve just been told by MBNA that they don’t target, and that they would honour 4 points per £1 for me, IF i could prove that the offer were genuine. Anyone care to forward me the email, or post a picture of the letter???

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